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On the death of Jerry Falwell

Schadenfreude and glib condemnations abound - but miss the point.

You know what? If there's a God and a hell and salvation available, I truly hope whatever sins this guy committed are forgiven, and that he's in heaven.  Grace isn't about whether anyone deserves it, because the way I see it, none of us are worthy.  Yet no one, not even the worst example of humanity, is worthless.  We all have the spark of the Divine within us.

Some have said:

Grace is bullshit. Grace means you can do whatever you want and there are no consequences. We are all equally worthy, and it is by our actions we diminish or maintain our worth. Falwell was worse than worthless, he was actively destructive.

Another comment:

Well, that's up to the gods. However, if He/she/they is/are just, then some account needs to be made for Falwell's words and deeds that had disasterous [sic] effects on others.

Otherwise, if we're all "just" going to be forgiven, then there's no point in trying to do good while in this life.

I guess that if one accepts the axiom that the only motivation for moral or ethical behavior is the promise of some unearthly reward, then your statement follows. I'm not sure I agree with it. I think that even if all will be forgiven, it's probably better (easier, less painful/wasteful, etc.) to avoid mistakes in the first place. If error is inevitable (and I think it is), we have to live with the cost or repercussions of our sins regardless of other's graciousness.

I try to refrain from passing judgment on the man as I did too much of that sort of thing when I was a "true believer", even though his actions appear to be pretty much in line with the hypocrites about whom prophets have warned us for years.  (OK, that was pretty disingenuous of me, I know.)  I don't think there's a lot of value in preaching to the converted, and I'm a little surprised that this guy did not end up spending a lot of time around the very people he marked as sinners — after all, that was the example he was given to follow.  It's pretty sad to see whole segments of society that could really use some help and support go destitute. I believe that true religion is ministry together with self-discipline, and it seems that organizations that lack this focus are suffering (and causing suffering) as a result.

(To clarify, I don't think that asceticism is necessary, though it might simplify religious practice for some.  Rather, I think that it important to master one's own will and act mindful of one's actions and those actions' effects on other people.)

Posted by xenophon on 2007-05-18 01:16

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forgiveness

Posted by convos at 2007-05-18 13:29
there is a difference between forgiveness/salvation and rewards reaped in heaven; at least that is my understanding of scripture (and i am with you i am not a "true believer" per se, but still remember a lot of the many countless hours of scripture i studied). So, you can believe in grace without feeling like your many accomplishments and manner in which you have led your life according to a higher principle are a moot point given christ's blood. so lets say grace is given, forgiveness had, salvation rewarded....what do you think Falwell's position in heaven would be? would he be chilling around the throne of Christ, or will he be spit shining the gold bricks that make the sidewalks? heaven is heaven, but the rewards received in heaven are granted based on your performance of life here.
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